In the Vine Podcast
Joy in Submission
Okay, we had to do it. We had to talk about it. The girls and I talk about submitting and honor and how that relates to joy!
Tune in this episode as we catch up and also answer your top voted question,
"Is it okay for girls to ask guys out"
As always, don't forget to connect with us on @inthevine.connects
- Duration:
- 45m
- Broadcast on:
- 27 Jun 2024
- Audio Format:
- mp3
Welcome to season 3 of In the Vine Podcast with your host, Melissa Chavez, joined by Yassinia, Denise, and Shekinah. This season, we'll be discussing the joy of the Lord, and of course, our monthly and other upcoming events. To find out more, please visit www.InTheVine.org, and if you enjoyed today's episode, don't forget to show your support, and like, share, and subscribe. Hi, everybody, and welcome to another episode of In the Vine Connects. With your host, Melissa Chavez, and with me today, I have Shekinah, Yassinia, and Kat. So, we're playing musical chairs, welcome back Yassinia. Thank you, I'm happy to be back. I feel rejuvenated, I feel like I've been gone for almost a year. Yeah, so I'm so glad to be back, and honestly, I've been hearing all of season 3 episodes, and they've been amazing, and I know that the people have been loving it, and we've been hearing great feedback, so that's always a plus. Yes, so excited to have you back, but as you guys can see, now Denise is gone, and she's going on vacation, which is great. We love that for you, Yassinia. So we have Kat, hello Kat, hi, how do you feel being in a different seat? I'm okay, I tend to move around. Yeah. You've said it before, when you're staying late, you can just flow. No. All right. Okay, don't take it wrong. All right, you guys, so today we're going to be talking to you about the joy of submission, and I know that those are, that's a dirty word, often times, people don't really know how to take that word submission. I remember working at JC Penney once, and I used to work in the jewelry counter, and I was helping some ladies out, and like they were just talking about their husbands, and I was like, yeah, like submit to your husbands, they're like, oh no, honey, no. I was like, all right, we're done, I don't even want to sell you this ring, it's like 50 bucks. Yeah. I don't need the commission. Yeah, the commission was like 10 cents, like we're good. Okay, so that's going to be our topic for today. However, we're going to catch up, as we always do, so the question for today, because I have not seen you ladies, is how are you doing? How was your week? What would you like to share? What's something cool that's been going on? Like what is the first thing that comes to your mind that you would like to share? I'm going to start with Yesi, because hello, I was like, no, not me. But it's fine. Okay, good. Yeah, so the first day of summer was officially the 20th, right? Yes. And what day are we on today? Oh, 23rd, wow, okay, three days have passed so far. I've been able to get in my pool, I know I've been saying like I need to get in my pool, hopefully it gets hotter, but there was one day that I literally just gave my husband my child, and he was already in the pool, so I put her in a bathing suit and everything and her little floaties, and I was like here, and I swam laps, and it was so refreshing, and I'm like, I can't wait to do it again. Yes. It's so hot that I don't even want to go outside. You get me? So I'd just rather be inside with the A/C and everything. It's like I'll just stay in here, and then I have the air at 70, I don't know about you guys, but the whole house is at 70 right now, and it's amazing. That's beautiful. Love that for you. Love that. What do you... Just a question. What do you guys like it at? What I like it at? Like it. Summer. Like it's different. I'm like in the mid to early 60s. I need cold, like I sleep better in the cold same. Temperature, I like it at like, actually no like it's 73. 75. 75. Dang. That's hot. No, you guys. It's been pretty weird for me. Like sometimes it's 90 degrees outside, and I literally get in my car and blast the heater. Like the heater, 100% heater, and it feels the best. I know. I'm an animal. You just go from the floor outside. And it feels good. It feels good. I don't know what it is. This is... Remind us where you were born. I was born here. You were born here? Oh my gosh. Remind us where you were raised. She was going to sail. It's a huddle. I was raised in El Salvador, but I was born in Stillmar. Wow. What did I not know? You tried to catch her house, and that's it. I didn't know you were born in El Salvador. I'm going to be the next proud Obama. Okay. All right. Moving on. So now, how was your week? It was good. It's great. It's summer right now. Having fun. Got to go to a water park yesterday. Cool. How exciting. Which one? To Hurricane Harper. Oh, nice. You made it sound exotic. I think you're going to say like something. Let me leave it for you. Let me leave it for you. Five minutes. Four, five minutes away. That's one of the favorites, you know. Anything else you'd like to know? Where was the waterfall that you posted? Oh, means friends we went on a hike. I don't know what the city was in. I just jumped in the car, and then it went. It's nice. Yeah. It's a coin. I've been camping a lot on the weekends, and then we went together. Yes. That was so much fun. It was. I went on a car all about that. Yeah. We just got in our car. I went to the desert. I heard you sent her not in a dress, but it was. Longitude. Oh, yeah. Well, she was asking for directions, and she uses, by the way, guys, she uses apple maps. I love it. Yeah, I hate guys. I was there with her when she was trying to, like, she's like, why does she just use apple maps? Yeah. Because she doesn't have apple anymore. Well, not only, I didn't even use it with apple, like, I just don't like that anyway. Well, we'll put up a post on our feed and see what people look for. Yeah. That's a good point. So she was asking for just send me the address, and I was like, we're going in the middle of nowhere. So I just sent her latitude and longitude. Yeah. What was that? But then we ended up meeting at the Visitor Center anyway. That's what I figured. I figured we were going to, so then that's why I was like, okay, like, what's the address, you know? We can, we can meet up at Starbucks, McDonald's, and we'll follow each other. So, um, yeah, so yesterday you did the ladies thing. That was cool. Yes. Yes. We went to the beach. The ladies wanted at our church. So I host the ladies only events at our church. They're quarterly events. Um, and so one of the ladies really wanted to go to the beach. So I helped her put it together and we all went to the beach. There's quite a few of us, but I also just took the opportunity to do an overnight. So I went to the day before and, um, just drove up and down the PCH and found a spot to sleep. And then I met them at the beach in the morning. So it was, it was a lot of fun. It was, I've never done anything like that before and it was something I will definitely do again. That's awesome. That's really cool. I know. I love it. Um, life has been good for me in this last week. What happened? Nothing crazy happened for me. This last week was so good. I was good, but something cool. I don't know. The last adventure that I did was, uh, when we weren't camping, that was an entire thing. Would you guys eat? Would you guys do? How'd you guys survive? It was actually the, so I told Shaka, I was like, do like, I would have just brought my chair plopped up, like brought some snacks and just waited for the stars. Shakaina though. And I'm not complaining. I get to put all my gear into practice. So I was like, I get to put all my gear into practice. Like, cause I still, I'm still new to it. So I was just, this is the perfect opportunity for all my gear into practice. And she did. She benefited from it. And I thoroughly enjoyed it. Um, it was so cool. She had like the cooking thing and everything. So we, we went on a Friday night, right? And I almost lost my, my cool, well, actually I might have, I did, um, because it was like, it was like, I was like being this hippie, happy person, right? And so, um, it was like midnight and this whole caravan, I just imagined your family. And it's our caravan of people, like it sounded, I literally thought it was like semi-trucks showing up to just like sleep for the night. And um, we had just decided to go to bed and, um, all of a sudden we started hearing these people and they just kept like training on cars. But they had ATVs. Yeah. So they were just, they started right away like, oh, one in the morning. Yeah. And then just moving their trucks everywhere. It's like, bro, like pick a frickin' spot in part. Like it's where the desert. And um, finally they said, and like we were just, I was like, it's fine. Like they're getting here, they're getting acclimated, blah, blah, blah. And then finally they get acclimated and they start blasting music. It's at this point, it's like almost three in the morning by the time I was set to wake up. And so now I was like, hey, oh no. Excuse me, sir, what did she say? I literally, cause I was sleeping in my car. So I get in the front seat, I drove to where they were. And I was like, excuse me, no, you didn't, no, I heard her too. I was like, I popped up and I was just like, I see her car, I was like, where is she? I did. I did. She's going. She's going. She's going. So you didn't care if they had a gun or a shot. I had mine. Okay, okay. I could have been the whole thing. Oh, you know? So then. Okay. And so then, the growing ignores me. So that gets me, that takes me on another. Oh my gosh, why am I barely hearing about this? I was waiting for the pot, right? And so then finally the man comes out and I was like, hey, like, can you guys turn down your music? So he said to his friend like to turn down the music and stuff. And I was like, thank you, like, we're really just trying to sleep. And so, and I like, get in my car and that's bitch black. Okay. So I'm like, Lord, now we find our campsite because if not, I'm going to look real stupid right now. She can't. I was like, oh, cool. I've been watching drive past your kids. I was like in the car as I said, not the whole time, the whole time, I'm just watching this whole thing happen. And I'm just watching your drive away. I was just like, should I turn on the light? She's going now. I know. So then finally I found like our landmark. So then finally I found our parking space and we just fell asleep and they kept the music off the entire night. They did. Yeah. And then we got up and it was nice. It was still enjoyable though. Huh? Was it still enjoyable though? Yeah. Oh yeah. It was so good. No, no regards. Everything was amazing. We got home early enough to take a nap the rest of the day. Oh yeah. At least. Yeah. I actually ended up going to Leon about like doing a drive through anyway. Okay. So what we're going to talk about today as I mentioned, oh wait, we have the dating question. The dating question is, oh, this one's good. And this is coming by voting. You guys voted. This is number one on our Instagram. If you don't follow us, make sure that you connect with us in the vining.connects so that you too can have a voice. Okay. So the question is, is it okay for a girl to ask a guy out? I'm going to start with, I'm going to start with a walking. I don't see anything wrong with it. I just prefer not to. Okay. But I don't really, because I mean sometimes it takes a girl to like let herself, let the guy know that she's open and like, hey, I'm here, I'm interested. Are you interested? Yeah. So as long as she's not leading the whole thing, I would say, like she's planning everything. She's doing everything. Like, no, give them an opportunity to lead. Got it. Got it. Got it. I don't know if I'm script or anything that goes with this though, like this is a thing you're based. Yeah. I don't think there is. This isn't for science. Just for fun. Just for fun. The perfect answer. Yeah. I agree. Same thing. Yeah. You definitely want a guy, especially what we talk about, we want men to lead, right? That's the goal and a husband. Okay. But wait. No, she said two separate things. She said, make herself available. Yes. That's different versus asking out. Well, yeah. And I think it just, I think it kind of goes hand in hand, it can asking somebody out, like, hey, do you want to go out sometime? And then from that point though, making sure that you're not leading the entire thing. You're not planning all the dates. You're not the one, you know, kind of pulling that role. So I think it's okay to ask a guy out, because again, some guys just, they don't know that you're available or that you're interested. And so, I mean, I've asked a few guys out before, but I definitely, it didn't work out great. Okay. So, what about that? No, I mean, when I just decided, I decided I was already started dating maybe my mid-20s, so I was after college. And so I just started making myself more available. I asked if I was getting along with a guy, she'd be like, hey, you want to go out sometime? Sometimes he would, sometimes he wouldn't. It just depended on his, you know, just depended. But it was nice, it was, but it helped me get out there and develop confidence. So I don't regret it. Even though none of them worked out, I definitely prefer a guy to ask me out to be the one that takes it initiative. And that shows me that there's a level of confidence in him that's more attractive. But for my sake, I'll be honest, I didn't mind asking guys out because it helped me develop confidence, if that makes sense. Okay. Okay. We'll figure it out. Okay. I like both of their answers. The fact that you said, you pretty much took the words out of my mouth, just in case you called me out to say that. But just making sure that we don't take the lead, but also just knowing that you're available. Sometimes they just need that clue. Sometimes we might think we're being super obvious and we're really not. Just ask me out already. Yeah, and your friend's like, what are you talking about? You were giving him the cold shoulder the whole time. And why are we like this? I thought I was throwing myself at him, you know? You roasted him three times. Yes, exactly. He's probably like, she hates me, you know? So I think it just depends on the relationship that you're already starting because sometimes it just takes like, just that confident thing like, so okay, what are you taking me out for coffee now? Like as like a joke and then it kind of initiates it? A prompt. Yeah, like a prompt. And I think that would be fine. But if you did do it, just know that to be cautious and make sure that you don't do it the next time. Like making sure that you go on the day, give him a chance to lead. If he doesn't take that chance step away, girl, he's not the one for you. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Because you want to make sure that they take initiative to woo you and do whatever they can to be. If they're not, then yeah, just move on like at that point. And if they don't take the clue of like, oh, I'm not available that day and then they just never make it. Don't force it. Yeah, don't force it. Yeah, because when somebody wants to, they will. Yeah. They would say something. They would say something. They would say something. They would call with a saying if you wanted to. Yeah. I know that you're being funny, but I honestly think, and of course, like don't put the guy in the position, right? But if it just so happens that, you know, there's a little bit of sacrifice that has to be made like, you'll know, right? And of course, like it comes with the grain of salt that advice because some girls out there, like we're too much. But none of us in this panel, of course, but, wow, you guys didn't laugh for that. So I guess I lied. Because you said we're too much. So you put yourself in that category. You're right. You're right. My quick answer for that is I think the, I think I can only think of like one time where I was like, hey, like we should do this. It was after there was a few time, there was a few invitations already presented. So I had to turn that down. So then at that time, I was like, okay, I can't expect him to continue to ask me. So I have to make myself available. But then he took lead of what, like what happened in that. So I think with that, I mean, we're all saying the same thing. So yeah, just make sure that you don't put on, end up putting on the pants in the relationship. And because don't be the chaser. Yeah. Make yourself available. And it's okay to be confident. Yeah. It's okay to be confident. At the same time, like, don't throw yourself out there, like in a weird, desperate way. Have some respect. Okay. Anything you ladies would like to add to that before we move on? No. Thank you. Okay. So we're going to talk about shakayana, I'm going to just let you take it away because you're the one that chose this topic. Oh, okay. I think this will actually be a relatively short episode. The word submission automatically turns people off. And I think it's just been so perverted and so misused in our Western culture, the word submission. We often think of like that slavery, master type thing. And honestly, it's not a completely false perspective to have of it. Right now, it's something the Lord is teaching me, right? So that's why when you're asking for ideas and topics to put on the joy of the Lord, that's something that I wrote down as a topic option, because that's just something the Lord right now is, it's something I've always been taught. They're like, really, the Lord's been highlighting that in scripture for me. So anyway, what the Lord is showing me is the idea of submitting, particularly in comparison to like rulerships, governments, jobs and all that. It's really difficult for American mindsets, millennial, genziers to kind of grasp that. You know, if you're not treating me the way that I want to be treated, I'm out. And oftentimes with pettiness and just dishonor. And that's ultimately what comes down to is just honoring your leaders, you know? And I think a lot of people, I've had this conversation with a lot of people and it always comes back to unless they're being wicked. But when I look at scripture, I have seen nowhere, and please correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe I'm missing something. But I haven't seen anywhere in scripture where God's people were disrespectful to their rulers and leaders, even the wicked ones, something that my boss, the ministry that I work for, he used to say is he will not tolerate people dishonoring or disrespecting their pastors. And he's like, even if they're not like fully walking in stuff with the Lord, and I thought that was so strange to hear him say, but he goes, even Moses had to get Pharaoh's permission to let the people of his relief. God could have come in, wiped out Egypt and been like, all right, let's go. But because the people of Israel put themselves in submission to Egypt all the way back when Joseph was the ruler, they had to honor that. They had to respect that. They had to leave with Pharaoh's permission. Now God obviously intervened on their behalf, but it was still with his permission. It wasn't until Pharaoh said, okay, now you can go that they went. And I thought that was so powerful. And now I'm finding that throughout all scripture of how there's honor and there's respect of all your leaders, all your rulers. And that to me kind of blew my mind, especially as an American who really thinks about the whole rebellion and the government comes after me, like I'm taking up arms, you know, and I'm not saying we don't, right, like it's a whole other conversation. And there's a lot of like black and white with that, but ultimately at the end of the day, whether I agree with our government or not, whatever I agree with our city officials or not, there still are overhead and there's honor that's due. And so I just thought that was really powerful. And when I read in scripture, I think the scripture that got me the most, but I was like, okay, Lord, but what about Daniel? He got there on the lion's den, like he, he went against the king's edict. And even then the Lord was like, no, he didn't. The king's edict was you worship, was it? You worship me, the king, or you pray to me? No, you worship know that God pretty much for, I think it was like three days or something. I don't remember. I don't remember the time period, but there's a time period where all the land was not to worship any other God. And Daniel just went about his business. He wasn't being petty. He just even says in scripture, like he went about praying three times a day as he always had. And he sat down, he prayed, he pleaded to the Lord, please save me. And then of course he got caught, he got thrown into the lion's den, but we all know the story, he got delivered from the lions, right? And what he comes out saying, which I thought was so profound is the king was so relieved that Daniel was saved. And Daniel comes out of the lion's den praising God, saying, because I have honored God and honored the king, he has saved my life. And then from there, the king declares an edict that you are to only worship God. And so I've brought an entire nation to repentance because Daniel chose the oar. Daniel did not rebel, Daniel did not take up arms, Daniel did not lead all the other captives from Judah into this rebellion. The king's edict was don't worship any other God or be thrown into the lion's den. And so he was still in honor. He was still in respect because he chose the oar, but it was still within the law. It was still within the king's rule. It was still within the king's, you know, he was still in submission to the king. And he just went and he was taken and he followed the Lord's will. Same thing with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. It was worship this idol or get thrown into the fiery furnace, right? And a lot of people would be like, no, we're going to like, a lot of American mindsets would be like, we're taking up arms. We're going to like, you know, like go after this, um, go after everybody, go after the king, go after the government, we're taking over, right? And they were like, they were in the king's army. They probably could have, um, but they chose the oar. They were in submission. They said, you know what? We are not going to dishonor God, we're not going to dishonor our king. We're going to go into the fiery furnace as you have declared. And then, of course, Jesus shows up front of everybody and makes a whole thing about it. So, um, just reading those and kind of humbling me in my mindset of for taking up arms and we're taking over. I'm not saying that's not, um, necessary at some points because even God led the people into war, but that was usually against nations coming against their nation, but God was never okay with you coming against your own rulership and your own leadership. And so, um, how that applies into the joy of the Lord. I mean, I think being saved from lions, being saved from a fiery furnace and leading an entire nation to repentance as a result, there's a lot of joy in that. So that's just something the Lord's been dealing with me. That's why I brought it up. And, um, that's just, I wanted to hear your ladies thoughts on that because that's just been something I've been reading throughout all scripture is just honor, honor, honor. Even King David with Saul, you know, the man's trying to kill him and David never dishonored Saul throughout that entire process, Jesus made the statement, um, give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, give to God belongs to God. So even still, he was saying honor, you know, um, so, and this was a, this was the Romans who were oppressing the Jews, you know, so, but Jews, which is like, no, he's your king, like give it, give to him, let's do to him. So it's just been, uh, kind of profound and, um, very interesting time of study for me. So I wanted to hear your ladies thoughts on that. Nice. That was a lot. Sorry. And now you're done. Trying to absorb it all. Yeah. Okay. All right. So let me, let me go to the questions. Okay. So first and foremost, what is, um, what is submission? How would you describe that? What is a definition? Let me know. And, and honor to your leadership, um, and obedience in that, cause yeah, I think we've had this conversation, you and I before about like even when you're like leaving a job, like you don't want to be under the shop anymore. You put in your two beaks and you're still respectful of that and then you make your way out rather than causing a whole disruption because God didn't teach us to make a mess. He taught us to like, to, uh, be a person of honor to be respectful, like, I don't know if that makes sense the way that I'm describing it. Yeah. But I know that. I guess. I coming into human authority, um, pretty much submitting to human authority, like, especially with children and their parents is a perfect example, um, because as they do that, we actually were just teaching the teens last Sunday that if they do that, it like do not lean on your own understanding. Right. Uh, but trust in God in all of your ways. And that's a big one. And yeah, Andre, my husband was trying to use it also for like the workplace and I'm like their teenagers. So, um, one of the big ones I told them is your parents are, they're your first example. Yeah. But they're in a place of authority and rightfully so because they, they gave birth to you and they're maintaining you until you're 18, right? Or sometimes even more. And that's a perfect example of just like the first step of us, you know, as little kids just making sure that we understand sometimes we don't see the bigger picture of why our parent or again, you could put it as a leader or our boss or, or, um, pastor is saying something or doing something, but sometimes you just don't know the full picture. Right. My daughter, um, wants to go in the pool and I'm like, no, you can't. And she's like, why, you know, why can't I get in the pool? And I'm like, cause you'll drown. You don't know how to swim. You know, mom's not in there right now with you. Um, but sometimes kids just don't know the full picture and it just goes in all areas. And sometimes again, it can lead to even the submission that we have with Christ because lean in all of our, uh, in all our ways, right, lean on our own understanding. And it's very difficult because sometimes I know one of the big things right now is a submission, no, joint submission, right? Yeah. Um, one of the big things is like, God, I don't see it. I'm not happy right now, but like, why am I doing this? Yeah. And you'd be surprised if you ask God to really help you and change your heart. He will. He will do that for you. Yeah. Because he knows that you're doing it for him and not anybody else. Right. That's good. I like that. I agree. Uh, so I looked up the definition. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So the word submission stands for accept or yield to a superior force or to the authority or will of another person. So, uh, subject to a particular process, treatment or condition. So essentially, right, uh, because we want to change the taste of the word of submission, right? Because it's such a submission and honor are such currencies in the, in the body of Christ, uh, from the, from literally from Genesis all the way to Revelation, you're going to find somebody submitting to some sort of authority. So what I love about the way that it's being mapped out here is that it's to yield. So you are making the conscious choice of yielding yourself your will and coming up under somebody else's authority. Now do we have that option on the time? No, because as yes, he was saying we don't choose the parents that we're both that we're born to. Right. Um, and sometimes, you know, work like, um, there's a new boss that comes in, I've been saying memes because you know, they say that, um, you're never going to see that employee, that candidate as good as you saw them in the interview, but the same thing can be said for the boss, like the person interviewing you. And so it's just been some really funny search. But, um, so anyway, so now now that we've established what submission is, right, and the body of Christ, especially because as women and as men, we understand that in the marriage dynamic, there has to be submission, um, you know, as the Bible says, women submit to your husband's wife's submit to your husband's and, um, at the same time, though, correct me if I'm wrong, there is some, well, I'm not even going to go there, but, um, so there has to be the way that you do one thing is how you do everything because the way that women submit to men, men have to submit to Christ, right? And so then you are trusting the authority and the headship, right? And so that's with Christ and that's in a relationship and that's in a wedding, um, but also when it comes to the everyday stuff, like, um, there's been ample times where we've been in terrible moment, I wouldn't say terrible situations, but in hard situations, whether it be at work, whether it be with family. And it's like, okay, the law of the Lord, the commandment of the Lord, is to submit. It says in, I looked it up just now in Hebrews, it says submit to your leader so that it would go well with you. And so it doesn't say unless, uh, and there's this even, there's story in the, in the Bible with, um, Sarah and Hagar where Sarah was being super mean to Hagar and Hagar ran away, ran away. And then the angel of the Lord appears to Hagar and he says, Hey, go back to, to Sarah. And so to me, that was a big thing because it's like, wow, not always, are you going to be under great rulership where it's always going to be awesome. But at the end of the day, your ultimate submission is going to be Christ. And so if you find yourself submitting to Christ first, then there is going to be that judge of the Lord because there is going to be breakthrough there is going to come a moment where things are going to turn around. Is it going to be fast? Not all the time. Is it going to be worth it? Absolutely. Yes. 100%. Um, is there anything that you would ladies would like to add to that if we move on to the next question? Um, I think just when you said like what, how you do one thing, you do everything. What I also thought of as a scripture that says, um, how could you, when God tells us to love people, right? He says love your neighbor as you love yourself, he also says, cause if you don't love your neighbor, who you can see, how you're going to love me, who you don't see, that also, I think can be applied to submission, cause if you can submit to your show, because it feels weird, because it feels like it's restricting to God. It's not about making you feel good. It's about helping you want to get you to a place to where you're with God, so you can glorify God. It's not going to feel pretty all the time. It's not going to look pretty, but it's always for the greater good. Yes. Yeah. So that's really good. Uh, Airmanzi of this thing where it's like, um, the Lord showed me that a covenant, right? And these things, they're, they're set in place for times where it doesn't feel good. Like, there's going to be times where you're going to want to walk away where you're going to want to do all these things, but then there's a natural process that has to be followed according to the Bible. Now we're not saying condoning abuse, cause there's people out there that are going to run away with this. And we're like, Oh, no girls are going to be able to, no, we're not condoning that. We're not condoning abuse now. And there's also that thing, right? Whereas where if people are now causing you to sin or wanting to cause you to sin, that's different. Because again, what we said, right, you first and foremost are meant to the Lord. So, um, what that looks like, for example, at work, uh, at a place I used to work at, not my current job before anybody starts trying to, um, the, the lady was trying to, because there's budgets, right? And so if you don't use the office now, um, there's a surplus. Yeah. So there's a surplus and we're going to lose that money the next year. And so the previous person, um, the boss would have or just fudge the numbers around and just make it look like we, we were able, they were able to use those numbers. So when I came in, I was like, uh, no, I'm like, I'm not going to do that. I'm sorry. Like whether we lose them any or not, like we had a whole fiscal year for us to be able to use this, right? So that's different. So I didn't submit to that. Was I dishonorable? No. Um, thankfully it didn't escalate to that point. Thankfully things ended up working out by themselves, but I, I, I set that standard, right? And so, um, it's that kind of stuff, right? I could have easily been like, Oh my God, I can't believe we did that about Laura. First of all, staying in lane, bro. So, um, I submitted and please, I'm saying it like if it was easy at the time, right? Because it's a brand new job. I just started and I'm over here putting my foot down on these kinds of things, but it ended up working out because now there's a good reputation there and there's a good rapport. So, um, it's not always going to feel nice. It's not always going to feel easy, but it's definitely always going to be worth it. Yeah. Another example I would, uh, I'm remembered by the story we were talking about Moses earlier, uh, the midwives. There was two midwives and they were meant, they were told by Pharaoh to go kill all the firstborns and they submitted to God, um, and not King Pharaoh. And again, it doesn't say that they were disrespectful or anything to King Pharaoh, but they just didn't listen to him. So I guess that's a form of disrespect for Pharaoh. Yeah. Um, but they didn't listen and they did what God, because they had the fear of the Lord in that. And the fear of the Lord came first before anybody else. Yeah. And so they saved Moses and look at what happened. That's a great example. And I think that's why my next question is going to be what in the case of wickedness, if you have a wicked leader or wicked boss or they are asking you to do something that might be illegal or against your morals, like, how do you, um, just it yourself? Yeah. Like they were told about bow down to this statue. Yeah. And they were like, I'm sorry. Like they were the only ones that out of everybody, they looked at each other and they're like, we can't, because we have the fear of the Lord in that. Right. And so I think that's, that's, um, that thing that's, those are great examples that you guys gave because at the end of the day, they were not dishonoring. Yeah. They said, you know what? Uh, we can't do it this way and whatever consequence, um, is it as a result of that will take, will take the consequence over our morals, but, um, God always makes a way. Exactly. And at the end of the day, those midwives, they could have gotten caught. They could have been killed. They knew that. They still continue to follow God's will. So I think even in the case of wickedness, you're not dishonoring. You're not walking out, you know, being petty, you're not, um, you know, throwing up gang signs. I don't know. You're not, you know what I mean? Like you're not walking around being dishonoring, talking badly behind their back. You might feel like you have the right to, you might, they might be completely in the wrong and you're just, you know what, this, my boss is blah, blah, blah, blah. That's not honoring. That's not respectful. I've had my fair share of bosses who were very disrespectful, who I've had jobs where the employees and my boss made fun of me for being a Christian. And every time I got upset, every time I wanted to be petty, the Lord was just like, you're choosing to be there. Well, not really. The Lord told me to be there, but at the end of the day, I knew I could have left and I remained honoring and I remained respectful. And I did my job to excellence the way the Lord called me to do my job. And God is so good. He brought me out of that job. And now I'm working for a ministry where everybody's godly, and we open up a prayer every morning. So for those that might be having difficulty, whether it's with your spouse, your job, your parents, understand that the Lord honors those who honors others, you know, and so stick it out and have a good attitude. Don't do it just to do it. Have a good attitude about it and be joyful in the serving and in the honoring. And if someone's disrespecting you, someone's being wrong, if someone's being straight up wicked, you can remove, you should remove yourself from that situation, but even still in an honoring way. Yes. And there is that scripture that says, do all things onto the Lord. So essentially, whoever you're working for, whatever job you're doing, you should be doing it to the Lord anyway. And that in itself will help you submit because yeah. And so I just really wanted to throw in the context of even of our nation, just because I know that you were talking about like that rebellion submitting to authority and government. And we are very much those people that are like, bro, we're waiting for the rebellion. Yeah. We're waiting for that, right? I want to give context, right? So it's not dishonoring for the sake of dishonoring. It's so much as like, for example, you know, with these ridiculous laws about like abortion, ridiculous laws about kids changing their their, their, their gender, their identity, so these things, right? There's that kind of stuff that it's like, okay, we're that we're not submitting to because now that goes directly against the Word of God. And that is wickedness that is completely from the realm of darkness. And so when it comes to things like that, like, there is a clear line drawn in the sand, right? And it's through the honor and it's through the speaking, like there's so many people that have gone to like school board meetings, like there's this, I always have trouble saying his name, but rev, rev rule. He's the one that goes to like school boards and reads the actual like reading material that they're giving me children and he gets kicked out and he's like, but these are like because they're when he's reading it, they're so explicit and the board members are getting so like, you know, this is inappropriate. And he's like, but this is what you're giving our children. So he's showing up and he's being honorable and he's standing up for the word of God and he's standing up for children, but he's not doing it in a way where where he loses like because I feel like going to an appointed city council meeting where members of the community are permitted to go and voice their concerns. He's not meeting them in the parking lot, you know, so he's still showing that honor and that's what I think that you're kind of going with. He was still being honoring, but honest. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, there's confines and yet there's the Lord as yes, he was saying the Lord makes the way and he makes room. So that's why it's so important as she was saying that scripture commit your way to the Lord, right? And he will direct your path and well, that's a different proverb, but the proverb that she was saying is do not lean on your own understanding right just to the Lord without your heart. Okay. And so I have the Hebrews one that you were saying earlier. Oh, do you? Hebrews 13 17. There you go. I see that one too. There you go. Look at us. Go to talk. Go to talk. All right. You guys, anything you want to add before I close in? Oh, I would say, you know, Martin Luther King Jr. did a perfect example of his program. He did, he wanted to make sure that people weren't doing things in a horrible way because it would make them look bad and lose credibility. Yeah. But he did say, you know what? We're going to stand up. So these people, instead of taking the buses, right, they would walk miles and miles and miles to get to their workplace, wake up earlier to their school or whatever they did. And they, that was their form of protesting because now the buses didn't have the income that they used to get. And that was his way of peaceful protesting, but it, and I put quotes, but it's a piece of what it was, peaceful protesting, but it made the point come across and it can still stand today. Yes. And there was other people who did things and he even reached out to them and he said, you're, you're hurting this, you know, you're hurting this movement because we're not trying to come against angry and, and everything like that. And it's, and it's true because when you come off like hurt and anger and you haven't talked to, you know, God or the Holy Spirit about it, you like, especially at a job, you don't want to burn bridges. Right. Yeah. So it's because you have something to stand on and you stand up and you have the fear of the Lord. The wickedness. Yes. And then you, you do whatever you can to call them out on, you know, I couldn't do this or you were saying, and if they did force you to do those things and you're like, okay, yeah, you have something to stand on there. But if you, if you didn't, um, you don't want to burn those bridges because you just never know. You never know. You never know. You want to, one of the bosses of my, you, me, and my husband had at JC Penning. Yeah. I'm not going to say names, but this person was our boss. Right. Like if this person walked around, we would act busy, you know, and if we were not on our break, we would like run to wherever we were at, like no chatting. And this, this man now works underneath, oh, and then my husband, um, he was like, you know, not looked down upon, but he was always, you know, told that he can be better from this person. Right. Well, my husband ran into him in his workplace. And this person's like, um, this person's like in a lore authority, um, like entry level or something. And he asked, you know, my husband, like, what do you do? Right. And he's thinking it's the guy from shoes. I used to be his boss. And when my husband's like, Oh, you know, I'm so and so in, in this, my position, this person just like good for you, man, but like he was just very quiet, the meaners change, you know, and it just goes to show you like you just never know where you're going to be at in life. So you might be high, mighty here and or low and low over here and you might be over there. So you have to be so careful and you have to make sure in everything that you do, again, like do it towards God and you will be honored. Yes. You do it in the form of pettiness, wickedness, anger, hurt and not getting guidance from the Holy Spirit in your actions and you're going to, you're, your God is going to show up in a, for them in a different way. And I can't remember where it's at, maybe you guys remember, but there's like, there's angels that walk among us, you know, like there's that scripture that reminds us of that there's been times where I've heard so many testimonies on them. I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding, I'm kidding, but yeah, I know you're right. There's been times I've had so many, I've heard so many testimonies of people helping out someone who's homeless and they disappeared in front of them. You know what I mean? Like my dad. I remember helping out. I remember my dad, he helped out a guy and like for some reason, there was just like, he was, he was literally toothless, but there was a piece around this guy and for some reason he just felt comfortable with this guy and he helped him out, brought him to the church and then like, never found him again, like it was just, but that was that. And after that, a tremendous amount of blessing came to our family. And so I really do think that showing honor to those in authority over you, showing honor to those who are under you, it's so everything, everything, as if it's an angel themselves, you need to serve, you need to have that hard submission and honor, just honor. That's so big honor. And even Paul, you know, like Paul was big, Paul was kind of a, Paul was definitely like what we would consider a rebel, but he wasn't a rebel. He wasn't going against anybody. He was in the streets preaching, making Jews angry, making Pharisees angry, but it didn't stop him, you know? And even when he got struck on the mouth by one of his accusers, he immediately just slapped back with a curse, you know, like I would too, if someone smacked me, you know? And immediately the Pharisees around says, "Is that how you speak to the High Priest?" And Paul's like, "Oh, I am so sorry for the word says I should not speak evil of those in authority." And I think he was quoting a scripture in Exodus, it's a command in Exodus, "Do not speak evil of those in leadership." And so even in that, though, Paul was respectful to even the Roman guards who arrested him, he was honoring to them, he was respectful to them, he spoke truth, he spoke even against them in some ways, but he never spoke dishonoringly, he never spoke disrespectful, and the one time that he did, out of like just pain again, I think that was just a quick lie, someone hit me, immediate reaction, that was a reaction, just a human reaction, but even in that, he immediately apologized and he spoke honoring, he was willing to stand before Caesar and just proclaim the word of God. So it goes back to how you just talked about Martin Luther King Jr. of, yes, he was protesting, but there was peace, he wasn't breaking the law, he just simply said, "Let's not use the bus systems anymore." And that's how he was able to- Yeah, one of many ways. Yeah, in one of many ways, he changed an entire nation. Yeah, that was, that was period, yeah, I can keep going, that's why I'm so sorry. I was just gonna add, but we're all human and we all make mistakes, yeah. And trust me, I've been petty with my bosses, I've literally stood up and got cray-cray with one of them, because she was so much, and I literally felt so convicted as soon as I walked to my office, and she was in the little desk visiting, and I went back and I was like, "I'm so sorry, that's not how I act." I was very angry, I was very upset, I am human. The way you handled it, the way you said these things made me come across this way, but I am gonna do exactly what you said, and let's, I'm gonna put full faith in what you're saying, and I will do what you ask of me, and I apologize for giving you this attitude. And she, after that, became like one of my best bosses, that's awesome. Yeah, but at first she was like, you know, like, but after I talked to her and she was able to see, okay, this girl, she has attitude, but she can submit, like, she knows when she's wrong, you know, it shows that I am human, but hey, like, I'm gonna be willing to trust in you, and she saw that, so she would come to me with new ideas and new different things, and even when she left the company, she actually even offered to write different letters for me that would help me move up in the future, which is very nice of her. It was awesome. Because she didn't have to, because I was sparing me. But I just wanted to make sure I ended that way, that if you guys make mistakes, just make sure that you, you don't burn the bridge. Yeah, don't burn the bridge, and if you do go back, just like, rip it. I'm sorry. Yes. Humility, exactly. So it's better the humility of that moment than the humility of life. We won't have mercy on that. I think we've all been there. Yeah. Why not? For sure. All right, you guys. Thank you so much for tuning in to this episode of In the Vine Connects. We hope that you got something out of it. I'm so sorry that we talked about this, because now you're accountable. I'm kidding. Honestly, there really is joy and submission. It really bursts forth joy. There's been, I think all of us are living in the fruit of submitting to rulers that we either agreed with or did not agree with, but we chose to honor. And at the end of the day, that's really what it comes down to. That is, I think, one of the biggest currencies in the kingdom of God, honor. So we hope to hear from you soon, Denise, we miss you, and we will see you guys next week. You didn't do your singing. Oh, I know you still have Mondays in my mouth. Thank you for listening. 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