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Matt and Sam discuss Garry Wills's 1982 book, The Kennedy Imprisonment, with the Nation's Jeet Heer.
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1h 41m
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17 Nov 2023
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In this episode, Matt and Sam welcome the Nation's Jeet Heer to the podcast to continue their journey into the work of Garry Wills—in particular, Wills's under-appreciated 1982 masterpiece, The Kennedy Imprisonment: A Meditation on Power. The book might be thought of as a sequel to his earlier Nixon Agonistes (1970). As Wills puts it in his introduction to the most recent edition of The Kennedy Imprisonment, "I had written a book about Nixon, and it was not a biography, but an attempt to see what could be learned about America from the way Nixon attracted or repelled his fellow countrymen. Why not do the same thing for the Kennedys?"

The result of Wills's efforts is a devastating portrait of an Irish-Catholic family who strove to be accepted at the most rarified heights of American society—and then, when they weren't, relentlessly pursued political power. Along the way, the family patriarch, Joseph Kennedy, used his money and influence to create a series of myths surrounding his sons, most of all the son who would become president, John F. Kennedy. It is these myths at which Wills takes aim, showing how Joseph Kennedy bought his second son good press, a heroic war record, and even a Pulitzer Prize. And it was Joseph Kennedy who taught his sons what was expected of them as men: to use and dominate women (many, many women), to valorize virility and daring and risk, and to understand power as enlightened leadership by the best and brightest (most of all, the Kennedys), not as harnessing the popular energy of mass movements. What begins as a book exposing the Kennedy men as wannabe aristocrats bent on conquest, both sexual and political, ends as an indictment of the liberalism they came to represent.

Sources:

Garry Wills, The Kennedy Imprisonment: A Meditation on Power (1982)

Garry Wills, Nixon Agonistes: The Crisis of the Self-Made Man (1970)

Garry Wills, Bare Ruined Choirs: Doubt, Prophecy, and Radical Religion (1972)

Joan Didion, "Wayne at the Alamo," National Review, Dec 31, 1960

Hugh Kenner, The Mechanic Muse (1988)

Hugh Kenner, The Pound Era (1971)

Richard E. Neustadt, Presidential Power and the Modern Presidents: The Politics of Leadership from Roosevelt to Reagan (1960)

John Leonard, "Camelot's Failure," New York Times, Feb 25, 1982

Norman Mailer, "Superman Comes to the Supermarket," Esquire, Nov 1960

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All right, listeners, welcome to episode 82 of Know Your Enemy. I'm Matt Sippen, your podcast co-host, and I'm here, as always, with my great friend Sam and their bell. And Sam, I saw you a lot this week. No, I'm still glowing from Wednesday night at King's Theater in Brooklyn, where we saw the man himself, one Robert Zimmerman. Yes, and he was on. He was so good. It was really incredible. It was a second night at that venue, which I think helped. And it was a little one at Know Your Enemy, Double Date Night, our significant others. Yeah, exactly. Four of us eating pasta beforehand at Shea Gold, Shea's Adler Bell, and then a trip to the King's Theater, where Bob rocked our worlds. Yeah, it was so good. I was really glad that he was so good, because I had done such a hard push for a late era Bob Dylan on the bonus episode we did recently. So if there was any listeners who were convinced to go because of my proselytizing, I'm glad that they were not disappointed because he was fabulous. Yes, and it was in Brooklyn at the King's Theater, so that meant if that place had been bombed, like half the lefty podcasters in New York City would have been taken with it. We'd bonded to Evan from Joker Men, Dave Cleon, a bunch of other people. Yeah, serious podcast crowd. All right, Matt, well, let's get to the meat of the episode here. What are we talking about? I was so excited for this episode. As I say at the start of the episode, get ready to be Will's Pilled, yet again, this time we took up Will's is really incredible, one of my favorite books of his published in 1982, The Kennedy imprisonment of meditation on power. We're talking Kennedys, the Kennedy myth, the puncturing of the Kennedy myth by Gary Will's, and it's appropriate because just in five days from now, November 22nd will be the 60th anniversary of JFK's assassination by the CIA. That's right, by Ted Cruz's father. So yes, the anniversary is coming up and, of course, a Kennedy has been in the news lately. R.K. Jr. is writing for president, pulling surprisingly well in some polls we see. So there's going to be a lot of Kennedy coverage in the next few weeks and it's going to drive me crazy because, well, we're not going to spoil it for you, but clearly, not enough people have read Gary Will's book on the Kennedy's because once you read it, you'll never look at them the same way. Exactly. Pre-emptively inoculating listeners against the wave of Kennedy, Hagiography, and nostalgia that we're about to go through. Yes, and it pains me because, as our first Catholic president, I wish I could love him a little more, but anyway, and we had a perfect guest for this episode. Gee here, finally, made it on Know Your Enemy. Gee is the national affairs correspondent for the nation, but, more importantly, really, for these matters, he's totally obsessed with the history of American conservatism. Big fan of Gary Will's. We get a lot more from Gee about Gary Will's whole corpus in the beginning of the episode,

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Matt and Sam discuss Garry Wills's 1982 book, The Kennedy Imprisonment, with the Nation's Jeet Heer.