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Matt and Sam are joined by writer and editor Chris Lehmann to discuss the life and work of Christopher Lasch.
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1h 32m
Broadcast on
11 Aug 2022
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Christopher Lasch, the late historian and social critic, can be difficult to pin down. Despite writing with startling clarity and verve, Lasch  frustrates his readers' longing for clean partisan taxonomies and explicit programmatic statements. Taken up in recent years by Steve Bannon and  post-liberal populists, he was, in life, a man of the left who never ceased interrogating his own side’s pathologies and historical blindspots — often using Marxism, psychoanalysis, and a rich, idiosyncratic historiography of the American scene to do so. As George Scialabba once put it, “Virtually every political and cultural tendency in recent American history has smarted under Lasch’s criticism."  And even his most devoted readers have been left asking — “plaintively or exasperatedly,” writes Scialabba — what exactly does Christopher Lasch want?
 

For our guest, editor and writer Chris Lehmann, Lasch was more than an admired intellectual iconoclast and gadfly; he was a treasured teacher and mentor — who was nonetheless difficult to get to know well. In our conversation, Lehmann finds fault with tendentious readings of Lasch’s work by his most ardent fans and virulent enemies alike. To unearth the powerful critique running through Lasch’s oeuvre, we spend most of this episode discussing his late-career opus The True and Only Heaven. Along the way, Lasch’s insights frustrate and illuminate in equal measure, inspiring new variations on classic KYE themes: the relationship between particularity and solidarity, tradition and hierarchy, egalitarianism and expertise, and religion and political virtue. Come along for the ride! 

 

Further Reading: 

Chris Lehmann, "Pilgrim's Progress," BookForum, Summer 2010.

Chris Lehmann, "The Betrayal of Democracy," The Baffler, March, 13, 2017.

George Scialabba, "A Whole World of Heroes: Christopher Lasch on Democracy," Dissent, 1995. 

Patrick Deneen, "Christopher Lasch and the Limits of Hope," First Things, Dec 2004.

Matthew Sitman, "Whither the Religious Left?" The New Republic, April 15, 2021. 

Eric Miller, Hope in a Scattering Time: A Life of Christopher Lasch, Wm B Eerdmans, 2010. 

Lasch, The True and Only Heaven: Progress and Its Critics, Norton, 1991. 

Lasch, The Culture of Narcissism: American Life in An Age of Diminishing Expectations, Norton, 1978.

Lasch, The Minimal Self: Psychic Survival in Troubled Times, Norton, 1984. 

 

All right listeners welcome to episode 59 of Know Your Enemy. I'm Matt Sittman your podcast co-host and I'm not here with Sam today He's on vacation doing some traveling getting some much deserved rest and relaxation But before he left we did record this episode about a figure we've been promising to do an episode about Christopher Lash Lash of course was the great historian social critic who he died in 1994 But he's been a part of sort of recent debates about the nature of populism Trumpism as we describe early in the episode his book Revolt of the Elite which was published posthumously was one that Steve Bannon was supposedly Reading and taking inspiration from so for those who know Lash I'm sure it would be excited and if you don't know who Lash is we talk about kind of who he was and and his work at the start of This episode and we had the perfect guess for it Chris layman who is a great editor and writer He's formerly the editor of the Baffler of the New Republic where I know he edited both me and Sam And currently is the editor-in-chief of the forum But for our purposes Chris layman was also a graduate student of lashes at the University of Rochester so Chris layman knew Lash he studied with him and I think he has a lot of insights into his work and You know how we should understand his work one thing maybe to say about this conversation is in one episode on lash We couldn't cover everything we wanted to and I think we focus a lot on why he appeals to the kind of populist post liberal Right also what the left can learn from lash and we don't really offer a catalog of everything lash said that maybe it was cranky or worse I Think early in this conversation Chris layman says you know There are parts of lashes work that he doesn't agree with or might even disown and that's not to be too apologetic But you know if anyone is expecting just a blistering critique of lash This is more I think trying to sift through his enduring insights again How he's kind of figuring in to debates we're having today and Chris was a very game and very excellent guest Who I thought brought a lot to the conversation? That's all I'll say about that, but just a few housekeeping items before we get to the episode as always We're grateful to our partners at Descent for sponsoring the podcast if you subscribe to know your enemy on patreon.com Slash know your enemy you can for $10 a month not only get all of our bonus episodes But a digital subscription to Descent and of course for $5 a month you get access to all of our bonus episodes Our music which listeners always ask us about is by will Epstein who? records under the name high water, so please do check out his music and as always we're grateful that he lets us use it and Big thanks, especially to our producer Jesse Breneman who as always makes us sound smarter than we are and in this episode in particular Did a lot of work to help us wrangle the audio we had a few small recording issues So thank you to Jesse and I should say, you know, thank you to our listeners in July and August We've slowed down a little bit. I think after the the trilogy on the overturning of row Sam and I were both just a little tired But this fall we're gearing up for a big fall We have a lot of episodes planned and we're really excited about it So if you've been wanting more know your enemy, don't worry It'll be coming and we're very grateful to our supporters and subscribers for letting us have a little bit of a breather this End of the summer well without any further delay. Here is our episode on Christopher lash Well shall we get started gentlemen Chris layman welcome to know your enemy. Thank you Matt. Glad to be here I'm sorry. I need to get better on my audio cliches. Thank you for having me. Glad to be here Yeah, you could say something like first-time caller long-time listener. Yeah long-time caller first-time listener No, no, I told you I told you I was tired I'm a little tired too but we're going to get fired up very soon I think because Matt and I were talking before we started recording just about how rich of vein of relevant topics for know your enemy and our listeners and our preoccupations the topic at hand is and that topic is The life and work of one Christopher lash indeed, and you know the first sort of disclaimer I want to offer before we dive in is I

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Matt and Sam are joined by writer and editor Chris Lehmann to discuss the life and work of Christopher Lasch.