The Etims Carmudgeons get together to discuss the recent European exit and the utter shambles that Ange has had to face.

We look at how many years we have suffered so called shock exits. Are we just mugs for accepting this approach from the Board or does Monty have an argument that they are in fact doing their job.

We discuss just what Fans can do, if anything, and we discuss where we think problems exist ( answer everywhere!) and what is needed and who is needed to fix them

We finish with a look ahead to Hearts at the weekend and wonder just when will Dom McKay get his finger out and help his manager...will it all be done one way or another by the end of January Window...time will tell!